Lubing paper patch bullets barrel

I did a lot of shooting of this calibre rifle in the 1960s and 70s and used both pp and gg bullets. How to use lube on a patch and a roundball the high road. If you get a chance get ahold of a copy of ned roberts schuetzen rifle book, theres a lot of good tidbits on paper patch in there. Thanks too for the info on the paper patch i had remembered from reading the thread before you said the bullets by themselves would. Jul 06, 2017 see, you also have to lubricate your bore. Oct 18, 2017 gg bullets require lubing filling the grooves with lube. Thanks too for the info on the paper patch i had remembered from reading the thread before you said the bullets by themselves would gunk the barrel but the paper patch actually cleaned it.

May 17, 2016 a lot of people are curious about paper patching bullets. Followed by the same questions about how the paper survives in the barrel. If you read up on the original creedmoor rifle ammo and competitions, you will find that a lube cookie was placed under the bullet, and no. From what i understsand, it is best to reserve the moly until your barrel has some rounds through it and definately not during break in. Place some of the provided patch lube between your thumb and forefinger and twist the bullet, in the same direction the patch is rolled, in the lube. Sure has seemed to keep the fouling softer than the spg. Lubrication for black powder guns is an entirely different story. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paper patched conical bullets. The patch is carefully wrapped around the bearing surface of the bullet.

Chapter 5 cast bullet lubrication cast bullet guide. The paper acts like a jacket and keeps the lead from smearing in the bore. The paper patch is moistened slightly with water to make it more pliable and slightly sticky. A simple wipe with a paper towel to clean grit and lube from the driving bands. As runfiverun alludes to paper patches will wear a barrel out faster than gg bullets. Some lubricate the paper with a thin layer of lubricant, while others use grease cookies under the bullet. By applying even a small amount of lubricant to cast bullets, shooters can not only avoid the misery of having to clean a heavilyleaded barrel, but ensure the consistency in cartridge performance that helps us to obtain tight groups on paper.

If you are lubing them to slide them through a sizer you can do that with a wipe of the finger like you lube cases as you size them but then you may have contaminated the paper so it may stick to the bullet and not fall free in one piece when it leaves the barrel. Paper patched bullets for cartridge guns do not have any grooves for lube, and they are smaller in diameter because they are going to be wrapped with the paper patch. The bullet has no contact with the barrel which means no leading problems, even at. Paper patched bullets a blast from the past sporting shooters. It is a tc renegade with a stainless steel green mountain barrel with a 128 twist. Black powder paper cartridge for muzzle loading pistols. But anyways i took 10 of those bullets patched them with the paper mill 9lb. Lyman cowboy action bullets are flat point round nose, for lever action rifles, and revolvers.

Reminds me of the time a feller from back east sent me some of his soft bullets to try in my 06 had a hard time keeping them on the target. In other words, with greasegroove bullets, the lube is primarily for the shot being. The following are replies from topic paper patch 4570 between rd. Paper patching muzzle loader bullets alaska outdoors forums.

Note, i dont bother to remove hard lube from the bullets. When i first started paper patching bullets i didnt put lube on the patched bullets and didnt hit anything either. The patch lube has but one purpose to prevent tearing the patch when the bullet is seated. Jul 31, 2018 in my last article, i wrote about the ageold process of panlubing cast bullets to improve accuracy, and reduce barrel leading. Bullet lube ingredients, uses, sources, descriptions. Sep 11, 2016 for the record, this is not my video or gun or cartridge load. If you plan on shooting several rounds before cleaning the barrel, paperpatched.

In a load with a paperpatched bullet, it coats the bore with lube to help. Next i had mountain molds make a 280 grain mold in. The lip of paper extending past the base of the bullet is then twisted together, and may be pushed into a depression cast into the base of the bullet. I have a 3 groove bullet that i would be using this on. Its hot because the powder gasses are no longer blowing by the bullet. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load. In addition to coming to this conclusion about prepatched bullet diameter, i also investigated the factors of bullet hardness, patch type and powder choice, hoping to further refine smokeless powder paperpatched loads. Refining paperpatched loads for smokeless powder load data. The megamite is especially useful for large bore calibers from. Black powder conical bullet lubes in muzzleloaders were and are more. There are some cast bullet forums on the web that have info on paper patching. I made up some wrapped in tracing paper, and some with adhesive labels. Oct 14, 2016 paper patches let a shooter get the same velocities from lead bullets as with jacketed bullets. Feb 17, 2009 thanks for the reply, im glad to know the standard primers work i didnt want to modify the cases.

Combustible cartridges are paper cartridges that use paper treated with oxidizers to allow them to burn completely upon. In every instance the turn over of the patch onto the bullets base was seldom more than 316ths of an inch. If i may add my own conjecture, i think matthews overemphasizes the role of grip in the barrel but appropriately hints toward minimizing bullet. Place some of the provided patch lube between your thumb and forefinger. Here are the benefits of shooting paper patched bullets in your inline. Use for paper coatings is the most common application in the united states.

Those bullets didnt shoot well and i gave up on bore size bullets. For me one of the things about pping is the erosive nature of any kind of paper youd use. We rely on a quality products, delivery and value for our customers. Cast bullet lubrication in the days of the matchlock and flintlock, the cast lead balls used for all military and hunting operations had no need for lubrication. The paper also served as a patch in smoothbore firearms, which fired balls. A lot of people are curious about paper patching bullets. I had one rifle that was shooting dirt diggers every so often and dan t suggested lubing the paper just before firing. I recently purchased a savage bolt action and put a.

Ive had good success with these bullets and am very impressed with the whelens capabilities using paper patched bullets. I shoot paper patch bullets in smokeless cartridges exclusively. If it slips in with a slight resistance, its the right size. These cartridges consisted of a paper cylinder or cone containing the bullet, gunpowder, and, in some cases, a primer or a lubricating and. I bet copper jacketed bullets are harder on a barrel than pp. I also wipe my own loaded cartridges with a paper towel before boxing, to prevent dust and dirt from accumulating on the bullet. In that era, hunters used tallow or wax lubricating cookies underneath the paperpatched bullets, so the hunters ri.

Paper patched bullets ppb are probably the most controversial of all lead. These fully functional and accurate combustible black powder paper cartridges are facsimiles of the original cartridges and packets issued during the civil war. Schmittzer bullets have a pointed spitzer nose, for least. If you use my paper patch lube, make sure that it is as soft as butter when you apply it. Paper patch bullets can go as fast as copper jacketed ammo and. Jul 26, 2018 by applying even a small amount of lubricant to cast bullets, shooters can not only avoid the misery of having to clean a heavilyleaded barrel, but ensure the consistency in cartridge performance that helps us to obtain tight groups on paper. In order to begin panlubing your cast bullets, youll a need few things. Bullets for black powder cartridges lyman bullets are crisp castings of hard lead, sized, lubricated, ready for loading. Come up with a bullet right on 400 gs from 201 might need to let it out a touch to make the 420.

Just make sure the patch is saturated with what ever you use. Youll only need enough lube to cover the paper patch. I often size patched bullets, and the excess grease goes into the paper, and leaves a waxy, almost dry paper with no globs of grease on it. Lubrication for black powder guns business and bullets. Cast bullets with lube grooves and gas checks can only go about 1200 feet per second before they start heavy leading of the barrel. Jun, 2008 i can find no record of any company producing bullets or loaded cartridges, where a soft lube has been applied to the paper patch.

So the paper patched bullet had something of a reputation for greater accuracy. Cant say what lubrication on paper patches is worth, but i am balking at the. In cartridges loaded with lead bullets, there is a grease groove below the crimp groove of the bullet. You will only need enough lube peasized to cover the patch. Obviously, this is a hot charge although it doesnt produce any signs. The cloth patch served as a physical buffer to prevent galling and abrasion, thereby limiting metal fouling.

This patch goes not quite all the way around twice, hence, double wrapped. As a ammunition manufacture, we load over 400 calibers. Some books say that you should not lube paper patched bullets but others say firing dry paper patched bullets down your bore. Paperpatching your inline muzzleloader western powders. I felt that it was the perfect size combination for bore size paper patch bullets. I was doing great with that gun so i decided to try my luck with my 50 cal. I have found barrels cleaner after shooting paperjacketed bullets. New lube for black powder rifles american shooting journal. I wanted to share my success with paper patched muzzleloader bullets for deer. Is paper patching a fair replacement for lube in a black powder rifle for conicals. A paper patch might function as a sabot that burns up in the process of firing the weapon. Without sufficient lubrication your barrel would wear out in short order. So, i thought i would give a quick explanation on the concept and then show my process.

Set it down to an inch and a tenth as specified by the sharps catalog. However, i do load and shoot black powder bp charged paper patched bullets ppbs exclusively for my sharps falling block and remington rolling block replica bpcr rifles. New lube for black powder rifles online gun magazines. A paper patched bullet dropped into barrel will fall down the barrel some 23 rds. And its cheap shooting with the real costs only being the primer and powder, and wear on the barrel is minimal. North american muzzleloader hunting shares a couple of ways to patch lead bullets and the papers that works best. In cartridges loaded with lead bullets, there is a grease groove below the. A proper paper patch has a strong grip on the core you cannot turn it or pull it off the core without destroying it.

Test loads note the waterproofed patches on bullets at left. I started to paper patch for my 45 cal tc renegade. Corbin paper patchblackpower bullet tools corbin swaging. These cartridges consisted of a paper cylinder or cone containing the bullet, gunpowder, and, in some cases, a primer or a lubricating and antifouling agent. If it is a high quality hand lapped barrel, 3 or 4 rounds may be plenty. I tried an air cooled ww paper patch bullet a few weeks ago and it shot very poorly, 8 groups if i recall. Lubricating minie balls the firearms forum the buying. There, paperpatch bullets were the normal projectiles used and they were used without any lubrication. I found out the the paper patch left a lot of paper just in front of the chamber and in somecases like a ring of paper there. The 50 i wanted to try to patch for was a gun i put together for my son. Top long range muzzleloading targt shooters of the mid 1800s commonly relied on paperpatched conical bullets.

Get the latest information about new products, special deals, news, toprated items, promotions and more. It helps the lube stick to the bullets, and helps make it better for pan lubing. You will find as many different opinions on moly bullets as there are shooters. Many folks who panlube opt to purchase their lubricants and theres nothing wrong with that. Snover and postell bullets have a tapered round nose, for long range single shot rifles. Would paper patching reduce leading in s rifled barrel. I also wipe my own loaded cartridges with a paper towel before boxing, to prevent dust and dirt from accumulating on. Bullets for black powder cartridges track of the wolf. Corbin paper patch and blackpowder bullet swagingreloading.

Business and bullets live free, make money, pack iron. The opening for cutting the tape patch is 1 316 allowing for slight stretch of the patch, mateing up the cut ends butt to butt. Barrel breakin and moly lube long range hunting forum. If you read up on the original creedmoor rifle ammo and competitions, you will find that a lube cookie was placed under the bullet, and no lube was placed on the paper patch.

Actually there are recorded instances of rifles with over 150,000 rds thru them with gg bullets and no sign of wear or degradation in accuracy. There is no major disadvantage to the shouldered or swc style of bullet for short to medium range 100300 yards. Many of the bullets examined had concave or slightly concave bases. Thanks for the reply, im glad to know the standard primers work i didnt want to modify the cases. New paper patch approach by ed wosika linkedin slideshare. Light for the caliber bullets will work in fast twist barrels but we dont say. Lubing paper patched bullets page 2 shooters forum.

Pp bullets are wrapped with thin, dry paper, there is no lube required the paper is the lube, nor is there any bullet sizing required. I did this and it stopped the low shot and shot so good that it was what got dan interested in trying pp bullets,if the bullets sat though the lube would glue the paper to the bullet so never did it ahead of time. Introduction to paper patching home made jacketed lead. Ive been using maxiballs lately, but i want to try paper patching hornady xtp. I can find no record of any company producing bullets or loaded cartridges, where a soft lube has been applied to the paper patch. Will this work with a hard jacket bullet or must i cast my own with virgin lead. Think about it, a lead bullet traveling down a steel barrel is metal on metal. Paper patched bullets some techniques the doublegun bbs.

I also understand that to change rifling characteristics you can use a steel rod or change the barrel. Instead, the unique design of the lisle wire patch bullet is lost in obscurity. Paper patching the hunting bullet for a muzzleloader. I have examined over the past 50 years several hundred paper patched bullets taken from british bp express rifles, from both solid and coiled brass cases. Jul 02, 2009 is paper patching a fair replacement for lube in a black powder rifle for conicals. Is paper patching real for making bullets untraceable. Paper patched bullets some techniques the doublegun.

In my last article, i wrote about the ageold process of panlubing cast bullets to improve accuracy, and reduce barrel leading. Many people prefer it to the smooth ogive type of bullet because the shoulder helps hold the paper patch from sliding back, if you overlap the edge slightly and use your thumbnail to crimp the edge of the paper over the shoulder. That was in an old 7mm rolling block rifle that had a rough barrel. In a load with a paperpatched bullet, it coats the bore with lube to help prevent hard powder fouling from being too hard or stiff. Bullet lube ingredients, uses, sources, descriptions, recipes. Since they have no lube on the bullet itself, they are often loaded with what is called a grease cookie.

A paper cartridge is one of various types of small arms ammunition used before the advent of the metallic cartridge. This is done with a lubrisizer, or pan lubing, or dip lubing. I lube all of my patches using lee case sizing lubricant. Best i can remember, 2000 ftsec was the maximum velocity you should load paper patch bullets. However, i do load and shoot black powder bp charged paper patched bullets ppbs exclusively for my sharps falling block and. For the record, this is not my video or gun or cartridge load. Does anyone here paper patch muzzle loader bullets. When ramming the bullet down the barrel use a smooth steady stroke and dont beat on the bullet once it sits on the charge, a light tap only. Apr 04, 2010 cast bullets with lube grooves and gas checks can only go about 1200 feet per second before they start heavy leading of the barrel. Chapter 5 cast bullet lubrication cast bullet guide for. Gg bullets require lubing filling the grooves with lube.